
A critique of anarchism and its effectiveness as a strategy to bring down oppressive power systems
June 7, 2011
Deep Green Resistance is the only movement designed to stop the destruction of the planet by dismantling the industrial complex, depriving the rich and globally powerful of their ability to profit off of the deprivation of all others, and the only real chance for human and nonhuman life to continue on Earth.
I’m over half way through the book Deep Green Resistance: Strategy to Save the Planet (there’s a reason I hadn’t been posting lately) written by Aric McBay, Lierre Keith, and Derrick Jensen, and I can’t say enough good things about it. The book provides many historical examples of successful resistance movements of the past, examines each, and lays out clear patterns between the successes and the failures. It explains the many different forms resistance can take, and explains very well and concisely why some would work beautifully for our movement, and why some simply wouldn’t be feasible, or even attainable from the get-go. This saves us resisters a lot trial-and-(mostly)error, and with any movements designed to face power head-on, error usually isn’t pretty. Not to mention it is beautifully written, and if you follow this crappy blog with interest, you’re bound to be wrapped up with Deep Green Resistance (DGR).
Before the book was even released it was getting attention by anarchist circles around the internet. From any viewpoint of any nonanarchist, one might have good reason to believe they’d support this movement. You couldn’t be more wrong. The responses flooding the internet by dogmatic anarchists (I was going to call them “radical”, but that term simply does not apply to them. I’ll explain that later) were fiery with opposition and criticism. Most these responses came from anarchistnews.org and libcom.org (.ORG, anarchists, .ORG) The main points they all seemed to give were pretty typical. DGR is “authoritarian.” DGR is “hierarchical.” DGR is “weak sauce”…We don’t want to organize ourselves. We want complete autonomy. These anarchists are quick to respond to any objection you have with their opinions or correcting flawed facts. Anarchy theorists seem to be passionate, fiercely ready for the defensive, and at times intimidating for their rock-solid stance.
Anarchy theory also seems incredibly juvenile.
The solutions it presents, however righteous and groovy they may be, will simply never work to bring down civilization. I’ll explain this the best I can in the following paragraphs.
1) Dogmatic anarchists hold a firm anti-authority stance no matter what. They believe authority of any kind should be abolished. Since civilization requires a self- and culturally-entitled authority to exploit the natural world, people of color, the poor, women, any non-heterosexual, etc. in order to perpetuate itself, the first thing to do is abolish that authority. All right, sounds good. But wait…It becomes problematic. Clumping “authority” into a single word is an oversimplification, and doing so immediately destroys the analysis of different forms of authority. Example: A president declares war over night and sends millions of teenagers overseas to likely be killed. That’s one form of authority. A wood shop teacher tells his or her students, sometimes firmly, how to use a bandsaw for the first time so their fingers don’t get severed. That’s another form of authority. But those two forms are completely different from each other. The former is authoritarianism (a term with negative connotations that anarchists love to use for any mention of leadership), in other words, it’s a social order that makes the refusal of authority punishable. Authoritarianism is when power flows only in one direction, and the endpoint of that continuum is a small number of people telling the vast majority of others what to do, or else. The latter is an example of authority that is only beneficial to the recipient of the orders. The teacher needs to express his or her authority of the potential dangers to bratty teenager students because those bratty teenager students may just be sent out of the room in an ambulance otherwise. It’s an obvious self-interest, in that example, to comply. This isn’t oppressive, nor is it authoritarian. Sure, the bratty teenager “Roger” can refuse to listen, but the teacher’s responsibility then becomes getting that kid out of the classroom before he hurts himself or others. This is an order to protect “Roger”, however hard that may be, from immediate danger. That’s displaying a form of authority that only comes with maturation, something many anarchists have yet to reach.
Complete refusal of all forms of authority is not only an oversimplification, like the word “violence,” but it’s also become taboo in anarchist circles. Optimistically, I imagine this out of ignorance to past resistance movements with success. Pessimistically, I imagine it’s just them being “Rogers”, and I’m starting the lean towards the latter. History class, the internet, the library, *cough*Deep Green Resistance*cough*, will all state very clearly that all past movements to successfully shift power had some form of authority, or persuasive public figures. Martin Luther King Jr. in the Civil Rights Movement. Harriet Tubman in the Underground Railroad. Buenaventura Durruti in the Spanish Anarchists. Emmeline Pankhurst in the WSPU. The list doesn’t stop. Whether or not we want, or wish, to have successful movements devoid of any public figures, it hasn’t happened and likely never will. Leaders, expressing some form of authority (remember the woodworker example), show up. They just do.
Would any (white) anarchist who claims to not be a racist object to the Civil Rights Movement just because the black community held MLK Jr. as a central figure? Would any (male) anarchist who claims to not be a misogynist do the same for the WSPU, and Emmeline Pankhurst’s important role? Get real. If you, or anyone else, objects to these movements and the positive effects they have had on people and society as a whole, then I shake my head in shame and disgust. Purist ideologies alone won’t manifest itself to the culture at large without real-world and direct actions to back them. This is the Achilles Heel for anarchism. Effective means to shift or dismantle power systems contradicts the ideology. Thus, anarchism will never took root. It will only remain in the minds of those who identify, meanwhile those in power are completely unscathed. Those in power don’t care about your belief systems. They care only if you flow upstream, disrupting the flow of power (usually by material means, i.e infrastructure damage, economic disruption, harm or threat to human life etc.) If you take dogmatic anarchist theory to its end, it comes to a grinding halt of selfishness, unwilling to join in solidarity with people doing great work for others, and not just themselves. That’s what activism is. Anarchism is the death of activism for social change.
2) Anarchists hold a firm “withdrawal” approach from the problems at large instead of actively working to dismantle them. In the book Deep Green Resistance, the “withdrawal” approach is described as,
” … acts of personal detachment or refusal carried out by alienated individuals. Entire social enclaves –the inheritors of the Bohemian tradition– are filled with such people. Their goal is not to make broad-based social or political change, but to live “authentically.” We can see the potential problem with this strategy in some synonyms for the word “withdrawal”: abandonment, abdication, disengagement, marooning, resignation, retirement.”
Now, withdrawal can work, and has worked in the past to disrupt economies, social practices, political influence, etc. but it will never work to bring down civilization for three reasons. 1) Successful withdrawals of the past economic in nature (i.e boycotts) required large numbers of people to bring those specific institutions to their knees. Those numbers are lacking in this movement. Thus, it’s silly to even try as a strategy. withdrawing for moral reasons is another topic. 2) Those targeted institutions must be local, or at least attainable by the local community. Global corporations like Coca-Cola, Wal-Mart, McDonald’s, et al. won’t feel anything if withdrawal your consent through purchase. They won’t feel anything if you get your neighborhood to do the same, or even your town. Anything beyond that is magical thinking, and investing so much time into a single corporation, however moral that action may be, is sidestepping the real underlying issue of capitalism, and even further, industrial civilization. 3) Withdrawal, even successful ones, were always for the purpose of reform. During the Civil Rights Movement, African-Americans would demand segregated or segregation-supporting businesses to change. In Birmingham, they were 30 percent the population, so the businesses had to comply with their demands or they’d go under. They gave the oppressors no other choice. They forced them. Because force works, whatever form it takes. It’s the only thing that has worked to disrupt power. Where’s the force backing anarchy? What’s the force backing anarchy? Does it have any? If you refuse to organize yourselves to politically resist, why base your ideologies on the unattainable, on fantasies?
3) Anarchy theory is quite liberal, and not radical, despite the self-proclamations anarchists give otherwise. This whole time when writing this essay, I was going to call dogmatic anarchists “radical” instead of “dogmatic.” This, however, would simply be inaccurate by definition to say. I can also guarantee calling any self-proclaimed “radical” anarchist a liberal would most definitely result in heavy verbal attacks. I’m not saying this to insult though, I just want to get the facts straight. I understand these words, “liberal”, “authority”, “organization”, are all off the table for anarchist conversations, but they really need to be demystified once and for all.
One of the main differences between liberalism and radicalism deals with how societies form and function. From the liberal standpoint, societies are made up of only individuals; that is, the basic social unit is determined only by the people who live in it. This differs greatly from the radical standpoint, which acknowledges that societies are built and sustained by the creation of groups or classes, and people fall into these certain classes by their race, sex, financial status, sexual orientation, even species if we extend and meld human society to the natural world, as we always should. Another key difference worth mentioning is the way liberals and radicals differ in terms of how societies change oppressive behaviors. Liberals believe the correct attitude alone will resonate to others and begin a snowball effect. In other words, the only way to change people is to change their minds and they’ll stop being “the bad guys.” Radicals believe there are systems of power in place within societies to source and physically manifest oppression to the citizens, and the natural world. The people in these power arrangements are benefitting from this, and no amount of fact-telling, educating, movie-making, book-writing, will stop them. Stopping them requires a myriad of different strategies, but strategize you must! Goodness in the heart does not translate directly to the culture at large. To put it simply, lifestyle choice is the primary, determining factor of change to liberals and to radicals, lifestyle choice is a undetermining derivative of social change caused by direct confrontations to power.
I think we can see where anarchy theory falls when you compare liberalism with radicalism. If only you practice believe in anti-authoritarianism, well, something will happen. If only you believe civilization needs to come down, if only you yourself know in your heart hierarchical societies=bad, egalitarian societies=good, well, gosh…At least you know that! At least you have that knowledge of righteousness that so many inferiors seem to be lacking. This obsession with self-purity is the source of horizontal hostility to the Deep Green Resistance. Yes, don’t rape. Yes, don’t boss. Yes, don’t normalize oppression. Yes, don’t commit ecocide, or any -cide. We agree there. But nonparticipation isn’t going to do anything. To change the world, indeed bring down civilization, requires lots and lots of dedication. It requires lots and lots of participation. As well as selflessness. And resistance.
Anarchism has its place in the resistance against empire. It should be considered for future sustainable human cultures when global industrial civilization meets its inevitable end. But as a strategy, it’s lacking big time.
I didn’t write this to intentionally piss off those who identify as an anarchist. I didn’t write this to add to the dualism between dogmatic anarchy circles and DGR. I wrote this because if we –humans, blood, bone, and soul– wish to save the planet, we need to go whatever it takes. Attacking the only movement at the time for doing so is nearly unforgivable, but I still believe I have more in common with the very anarchists I just critiqued than my next door neighbor. We have the drive. We know our base-line goal. Anything else is secondary, even tertiary. But to throw DGR out the window before the book even came out is silly. I encourage everyone who reads this blog, anarchist or not, to at least give the book a chance. You’ll learn a lot. Hell, I’m not even done with it and I’m ranting and raving.
And remember this: Nothing, absolutely nothing, –not anarchism, not me, not you– is more important than the source of everything, the planet. She needs you desperately. If you don’t want to join DGR, great. That’s fine. No one is making you do anything you don’t want to do. (Hear that? Does that really sound authoritarian?) But understand those who are a part, those who are working toward that base-line goal, are your brothers and sisters in the battle for a livable planet. You may disagree with this and that, but fundamentally we’re on the same page.
Solidarity. That’s the fruit of the anti-civilization critique. Solidarity with the natural world. With the oppressed. The natives, people of color, women. A shift of loyalty away from the system and back into our long-awaited return to mutuality and respect with the world, nestled inside repairing ecosystems. Helping with that repair, and having that repair, too, help us repair.
***********(Edit, June 9, see below)***********
Also, always remember this: Any ideology is only as righteous as it’s subscribers actions in accordance to that ideology. That is, any ideology with such prevalent, widespread refusal of effective action is not a good ideology, regardless of how it looks on paper.
It’s a kindergarten lesson, folks. Actions speak louder than words. After rereading my original post, and after thinking of the actions subscribers of anarchism have committed, (Zerzan attacks Jensen more on a weekly basis than he attacks the capitalist state all year. Keith, a woman with a disability, got pied with a cayenne pepper-laced cream pie at an anarchist book fair. The anarchist community cheered. Tucker denounced Deep Green Resistance before the book was even released. I got could on and on. B..B..But…They have broken windows in front of the police! Fight the system!) I feel no shame in addressing this behavior in the way it ought to be. It needs to be called out, big time.
One of the main problems I run into when making these points to someone who identifies themself as an anarchist is because they always seem to fall back on the same points. “You’re ‘cherry-picking’ when you give those examples!” “That wasn’t me who did those acts, therefore I’m not responsible for them!” “You can’t homogenize or generalize all anarchists into one big clump and call bullshit!” These points they make, and I can’t believe I’m saying this, effectively shuts down conversation. (Maybe my next essay I write will be titled, “A critique of anarchism and it’s effectiveness to shut down confrontational conversation.”) Okay, let me tackle these one by one so I don’t have to in the comments section.
The cherry-picking argument is not cherry-picking when the vast majority of anarchists are in support of those actions committed by a select few. Ninety percent of attorneys give the other 10 percent a bad name, as they say. I have no reason to believe the aforementioned examples, plus others, is cherry-picking so long as no or very little negative responses have been said about them within anarchist circles.
While the argument that it wasn’t them personally who committed those acts is true, it’s the typical analysis I’ve come to expect from any dogmatic anarchist. Humans are social creatures, and the backbone of that basic human need is community. Accountability and responsibility are an essential part of healthy, functioning communities. In fact, that’s what determines whether a community is healthy and functioning. And to give up both on behalf of another who subscribes to the same ideology, or circle, or “community” as you is what is sorely lacking, and another failure of anarchist theory.
So my response? A) Start being responsible in response to abusive actions committed by those to whom you identify themselves with. B) Evaluate the level of abuse occurring within these circles. C) If the abuse is widespread and represents a large percentage of the collective group, reconsider your role within this group and your relationship to it. D) Always, always call bullshit when bullshit has been tossed.
I hear all the time that you can’t homogenize all anarchists into one big group because anarchy is so diverse and has so many different strands. Again, it’s true that anarchism has many different strands (“anarcho-everything,” or better yet, “anarcho-globalization”), but it’s sidestepping the important and central issue of behavior in accordance to ideology, which as I said earlier, determines whether that ideology is sound and valid.
Deep Green Resistance as a strategy, though still in its infancy, recognizes very clearly the vast amount of diversity required for building a culture of resistance, as it embraces that. But if anyone who labelled themselves a “Deep Green Resister” did half the shit many anarchists are doing, I’d call them out immediately since I support the organization, let the public know this person does not have any association with DGR, and that the organization does not support that action. If this person agreed to the code of conduct (which is what really riles up anarchists across the board), then they’d be shunned from the group forever.
Speaking of the code of conduct, if any anarchists reading this have a problem with that, might I remind you that if you have a Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, a WordPress account, or any other “membership” to a website, you have signed and agreed to a “Terms of Service” for that site, which is essentially the same thing as a “code of conduct.” You gave your consent to the owners of that website or organization, and violation of those terms results in termination. But do they bicker about those?
Also, even the Spanish Anarchists had strict codes of conduct for their men, like prohibiting the consumption of alcohol or the outbreak of fights between them. Doing these would result in punishment, not just banishment. If you anarchists have a problem with that, don’t butt heads with me or Derrick or Lierre or Aric, butt heads with the Spanish Anarchists…
And if agreeing to these (see below) codes of conduct is authoritarian, then you have no idea of what authoritarianism is, and it’s a huge insult to the real victims of such a regime. Shame on you.
Deep Green Resistance Code of Conduct
Civilization, especially industrial civilization, is fundamentally destructive to life on earth. Organized political resistance is the only hope for our planet. Our task is to create that resistance movement. With this goal in mind, we agree to adhere to the following Code of Conduct in our organizing groups:
1. Political Action: DGR groups will only engage in aboveground, non-violent activities. These can include legal demonstrations as well as civil disobedience.
2. Solidarity: Non-indigenous members of DGR remember that we are living on stolen land in the midst of an ongoing genocide. The task of the non-indigenous is to build solidarity with indigenous people in defending the land, preserving traditional cultures, and protecting sacred ceremonies from exploitation.
3. Justice: We are enmeshed in overlapping systems of sadistic power built on stolen wealth, white privilege, misogyny, and human supremacism. As individuals, it is our responsibility to acknowledge those systems, overcome our entitlement, and make alliances with the dispossessed. Collectively, it is our task to bring those systems down.
4. Liberty: DGR groups have a zero-tolerance policy for abuse of anyone, human or nonhuman. Physical integrity and emotional safety are basic human rights that DGR is sworn to defend. DGR will banish any members who rape, batter, or abuse any living creature. Masculinity, with its militarized psychology and its violation imperative, has to be abandoned personally and dismantled globally.
5. Character: DGR is a serious undertaking that requires loyalty, commitment, integrity, and
courage. Members are expected to treat everyone with respect.
6. Security: All DGR members are required to abide by principles of security culture and to
address breaches directly. Both lax security and paranoia are dangerous to our movement. All non-political illegal activity puts everyone at risk and is inappropriate for members. DGR groups are required to educate new members on security culture.
***********(Edit, June 11, see below)***********
I found this essay that does a much better job than I did talking about anarchism and it’s downfalls. It’s written by Christopher Day and titled The Failure of Anarchism, Implications for the Future of the Revolutionary Project. It’s pretty long, but if you have to time to read it, I really recommend it. Here’s the link…
http://readingfromtheleft.com/PDF/Kasama/historical_failure_of_aanarchism_chris_day_kasama.pdf
“There is a crying need for the development of a new body of revolutionary theory that breaks decisively with the dogmatism and political shallowness of anarchism as well as with the authoritarian essence of marxism.”
I haven’t ever run in anarchist circles, so I had no idea there was such animosity directed at DGR. I attended a DGR workshop last month and immediately after discovered a bunch of those critiques and man, it really bummed me out! I came away from the workshop with such a strong feeling of hope and solidarity and then to see that being picked apart for such petty reasons was very disheartening. So thanks for what you’re saying here.
Yeah, I have yet to attend a DGR workshop, but I can totally imagine what you said play out afterwards. I’m sorry you had to put up with that. Talk about a rollercoaster of emotions.
Anyway, don’t listen to them. Their “strategy” is not one, merely a theory that’s still floating around eventhough it’s really not all that hard to debunk it.
True story: I attended a protest a few months back. A bunch of teenage anarchists attended, wearing their cute little black outfits. They spent the majority of the protest littering the streets with paper explaining why police brutality is bad, pushed over a few traffic cones, and when the police ramped up their presence, the anarchists insisted upon their ideology –to break up into multiple, poorly structured autonomous groups (they had loudspeakers and the biggest signs. I find that somehow symbolic)…The big no-no of effective protests. So sure enough, people began to go seperate ways, only to have the police block off each street one by one and effectively trap them in, destroying the power of one united group –the point of any and all protests. Police=1, anarchists=0.
Thanks for your comment. Keep fighting!
Anarchism of today is more or less not anarchism anylonger anway, since it has been re-packed and re-designed to fit the typical viewpoint of what it shall be due to the dominant culture itself.
This is how things work all the way thru the system. Take Socialism as an example.Socialism will probably never become what it truly stands for since Marx’s view upon socialism (that everyone follows today) made it clear that “real socialism” (he reffered it to as utopian-socialism) would never work.
And there you go, the founding humans of socialism and their viewpoint is long gone.
I see the same problem with “anarchism”, its true meaning is already lost and the word today makes us think and behave faulty.
What I mean is that today when people talks about anarchy they don’t really talk about it, they talk and act upon what that word makes you think of, and those views are more or less programmed over years and years (decades if you will) of shaping history, and viewpoints among the general public. We are all born within this culture, no matter what, and one can think they know the absolute truth – but I’m sure noone sees the absolute truth. The damage goes deep, deep within ourselves as a species (of course other cultures have not been affected by the lies that has been fed from this culture, they themselvs gets destroyed and shunt to the sides while this culture spreads it dark wings to keep itself going.
All while groups of people that share one common goal: to bring this civilisation (and its culture) down to its knees. Because they dont’ use the same group namn for their bevlives and actions.
pacifist groups bashes non-pacifist’s and the other way around. Animal rescue groups (ALF for exaple) attacks ppl that eats meat, even though the meat eaters ain’t the problem in reality, its the fucking industry that is the problem, and always will be. Of course it works just as bad the other way around: meat eaters bashes animal rescuers just because most of them are vegetarians. and the circle of negative energy just keeps rolling.
and I guess I can make the list go on for ages, but I hope someone gets my viewpoint out there.
I’m getting sick and tired of all this fighting among people that want’s the same thing in the end, all while the dominant culture with its totalitarian agri culture and other forms “life hating agendas” keeps winning by keeping people in the dark not seeing clear.
ps. sorry for spelling mistakes and other forms of bad English. It’s not my native language .ds
ShedLight –
Thank you for your reply! Don’t worry, I found your post easy and enjoyable to read, and think you did a great job articulating your thoughts in English.
I agree. In my opinion, I think many of the anarchists of today do not act in accordance to the ideology of anarchism, which is a shame because that’s what determines its legitimacy. I think they all too often get wrapped up in specific terms (authoritarian, hierarchy, vanguardist, etc) and apply them to anyone or anything that uses terms or practices which may fall on the same continuum, but are on completely different ends. To call DGR “authoritarian” probably made Mikhail Bakunin turn in his grave.
I consider people who publicly denounce themselves as anarchists (probably because they want no association to such a crowd) acting in more anarchist ways. Urban Scout (www.urbanscout.org) made a good point a while back about this issue and worded it in a way much better than I could have. Here’s his quote (Scout, if you read this, I hope it’s okay to do so.) He said,
“Saying, “I have anarchist values, but don’t call myself an anarchist”, sounds rather like saying, “I practice spirituality, not religion”. The message & connection without the institution. I find it interesting that the majority with whom I have spoken that don’t label themselves as anarchists have more in common with actual anarchist thought and practices than those who directly identify and participate in the anarchist institution.”
Exactly.
Thanks again for your response, ShedLight
I consider myself an anarchist, but consider most of your first and last paragraph to be valid points about red/black anarchism.
However, manye red/black (i.e non-green) anarchists do distinguish between different types of authority (leadership vs. the institution). They point to classic examples of military leadsership during anarchist struggles against state and capital (i.e the various columns). However many do *slectively* apply this, and if they (for one reason or another) do not see the point to an organisation (i.e ‘planet’s fine lol’) then they will notice authoritarianism where there is none.
Also, I disagree with the last point. Their intention is not to withdraw, but to modify the abusive structures within this culture – eliminating some, keeping others. Their intention is radical, it’s just not being applied to their ecological analysis – they do not believe that social structures *other than capital* are initiating this crisis, and so a ‘voluntary mass movement’ against capital and a select few other abusive institutions would put an immediate stop to both collapse and ecocide. They’re incorrect, but I don’t think your analysis is bang on, since they don’t wish to withdraw, but to effect radical change. Just not in an extremely important area.
Norm – Thank you for your reply and feedback, I really appreciate it.
Modifying abusive structures with any culture requires more than theory, that’s really the point I was trying to make. Material means is what to focus on, which is what anarchism fails to grap. The hour is far too late to debate and wait for righteous ideology alone to change the world. We need the material means that are killing the planet to end. How we do so…I don’t fucking care. We’ll have plenty of time to talk and fight and struggle over social organization when the threat of global warming is over, when extinction rates reach normal background levels, when dams come down. You’re correct when you say, “They do not believe that social structures *other than capital* are initiating this crisis, and so a ‘voluntary mass movement’ against capital and a select few other abusive institutions would put an immediate stop to both collapse and ecocide.”
This is one of the big causes of debate between the two circles, which is why I felt the liberal and radical distinction a central part of my essay. I don’t see how their intention is radical so long as they are talking about theory, changing minds, changing hearts. What we –humans, nonhumans, everyone– need is a livable planet. That means material needs. We need clean water, healthy soil, food, and clean air. That is primary. How we arrange ourselves to effectively meet that is what DGR is about, but so many anarchist have displayed over and over that’s not what they want. They want anarchism over a livable planet.
I’d rather have a planet to live on with struggles to fight in the future (which is where anarchy could be valuable) than to hold on to ideologies which denounce serious organized resistance while the planet is dying. That is why I mentioned the withdrawal method as applying to them. Because in the real, physical world of trees and mountains and river and oceans, anarchist theory doesn’t exist. It’s just human theory, and no amount of human theory which only exists in the minds of humans HOWEVER great and just and amazing they are won’t stop the gears of industrial civilization. That requires a significant amount of both aboveground and underground organization. And history has proven over and over again within successful resistance movements that especially underground, militant groups almost always require a hierarchy for ranks and duties to cadres, combatants, etc. This is what anarchists refuse to accept eventhough it’s just…True. And it works.
*sections,
Not paragraphs.
But yeah you’re right about what’s most important. Nicely said.
Great post.
But anarchism as a concept is about abolishing the state and going back to local communities. All the rest of the stuff that those dogmatic ‘anarchists’ mention does not make sense. I don’t see a conflict between anarchism, as an idea, and DGR, as an effective response to today’s situation.
Michal Saracen -
Thanks!
I agree, which is why I essentially wrote the last four paragraphs. Anarchism is fine if, as you said, it is recognized as only an idea. Because that’s what it is. What is insane is how so many dogmatic anarchists are using this idea to resist against actual, real physical capital R Resistance. Make sense?
Exactly. They are detached from reality and don’t understand what’s going on in the physical world, instead they dwell in their philosophical comfort zone. Once you understand what’s likely to happen in the future within the climate change, peak oil, and ongoing destruction paradigm, there is no point to engage in philosophical debates. How can they consider themselves anarchists if they don’t work towards destroying the system within a specific, set amount of time.
MS –
Thank you for this.
I originaly got into Green Anarchy from an anti-higherarchy place but after looking at how native americans organized themselves and after aging a bit ,I can now see how experience would lead to a natural higherarchy.Lets follow those whose track record shows some success.As for organizing against civilization-good luck:one tornado did 10x the economic damage the entire ELF 10yr campaign did.Perhaps promoting global warming would be a more successful model for that aim.
Not all the critiques are petty, and critiques can serve as a function of strengthening groups by pointing out their weaknesses (unless you are claiming DGR has no weaknesses which is highly unlikely). In the same way that when someone critiques a piece of work you do, the most pragmatic response is to listen to the critique and improve. From what I can see, elements of DGR and Derrick Jensen Forums have reacted hysterically. Don’t get insulted by that, as it seriously wasn’t meant to be an insult – rather an observation. It is being taken as a personal afront by some when it isn’t meant to be.
I have worries over the DGR strategy, and indeed doubt that anyone could come up with a strategy to bring down civ. I hate civ as much as anyone else but totally disagree with the way DGR is being constructed. It seems to contradict itself by claiming to be non-violent, by an author that denounces non-violence, yet any discussion wanders into how militant struggles require hierarchy. It makes no sense.
Lastly I understand that the authors and workshop contributors need to paid for their time – but the Dark Mountain event in the UK costs around $80 including camping. I recently attended an ace environmental event that cost the equivalent of $30. I don’t understand why the workshops are so expensive.
gJ -
Thanks for the comment and feedback.
You are right when you say all groups have some weaknesses. Please remember though that DGR is literally in it’s infancy, and the theory of anarchism has been around for dozens of decades. It’s had time to be evaluated and critiqued, and in the fight to bring down industrial civilization, it’s reluctance to use other strategies by dogmatic “followers” (for lack of a better word) is more detrimental for the planet (and humans) than helpful.
Please also remember that DGR encompasses both above and below ground work. The DGR organization (deepgreenresistance.org) is purely aboveground and does not use violent or militant actions. One of the jobs of the aboveground is to support the underground who are doing more militant, direct action, but should also to have a complete firewall between the two. Anarchists refuse both, because the aboveground set up in many ways they disagree with (codes of conduct, yata yata ya), and also refuse the underground because nearly all militant underground groups require some form of hierarchal structure, it’s nearly inherent in the nature of it. So it’s a movement with clear lines. Aboveground and underground. At no point (or at least in very very rare instances), should the two meet, or be confused with one and other.
I agree that DGR has weaknesses. I shouldn’t write off all critiques as petty; they are essential for casting a critical eye on our efforts, learning and growing in the process. I think the “hysterical” response you’ve witnessed is not surprising at all. DGR is a precious concept to anti-civ folks who have never conceived of concrete action and have essentially floundered in a feeling of angry helplessness for so long (I’m projecting here). Defensiveness is inevitable under those conditions.
Personally, I don’t truly believe we can “bring civ down.” I wish so hard it was possible, but I just can’t see it. I think it will collapse of its own accord, so although I’ll do what I can to encourage that, my efforts tend to be more about building up alternatives in the meanwhile. But I would like to point out that it’s simply untrue that Jensen, et. al., promote non-violence. Apart from the important distinction between above- and underground work, Jensen and Keith have spent considerable time attacking the concept of pacifism, and the DGR workshop focuses heavily on the violent struggle of historical resistance movements. It’s just very important to separate violent action from the aboveground efforts.
Finances were also discussed at the workshop. From what I understand it costs quite a bit of money to bring all three authors together and to fly or drive in, rent a space, stay for two nights, pay for food, and so forth. I believe it was said they didn’t even break even on the San Francisco workshop I attended. I was reluctant to attend because of the cost, but Lierre offered a scholarship and basically said outright that I should come regardless of ability to pay. I was able to scrounge up enough to pay on the lower end of the sliding scale, luckily, and only after the workshop — nobody stopped me at the door just because my name wasn’t on the list. I think it should be said that the group is very flexible, conscious of economics, and less concerned about the money than the work they’re doing.
“A wood shop teacher tells his or her students, sometimes firmly, how to use a bandsaw for the first time so their fingers don’t get severed. That’s another form of authority.” This statement is true, but your conclusion to this statement shows that you have never legitimately looked into Anarchism as a social theory. Try reading some Emma Goldman. Her and Berkman explicitly cover this form of authority, and note that Anarchism is not against all authority, but that anarchism is against a form of authority which ultimately has to use itself to justify its existence, or which cannot justify its existence in the first place. It isn’t Anarchists who have an overly simple belief structure… it is YOU who has oversimplified it.
marcowns747 –
Thanks for your replies.
If you see the difference between the two examples, agree they may fall onto the same contiuum, but are on completely different ends, why then is there such a rapacious appetite to tear DGR in shreds by the anarchist community (*gasp* generalization!)? It’s funny, I gave the example to be kind of rhetorical really, not in a condenscending way, just because it should have been obvious to anarchists where DGR falls on that contiuum which you have *intellectually* recognized. Also, that example was inspired by Mikhail Bakunin, one of the most hardcore anarchists in history. I wasn’t some self-percieved brilliant “So THERE!” moment. So don’t tell me I “have never legitimately looked into Anarchism”. As Bakunin once wrote:
“Does it follow that I reject all authority? Far from me such a thought. In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult that of the architect or the engineer. For such or such special knowledge I apply to such or such a savant. But I allow neither the bootmaker nor the architect nor the savant to impose his authority upon me. I listen to them freely and with all the respect merited by their intelligence, their character, their knowledge, reserving always my incontestable right of criticism and censure. I do not content myself with consulting a single authority in any special branch; I consult several; I compare their opinions, and choose that which seems to me the soundest. But I recognise no infallible authority, even in special questions; consequently, whatever respect I may have for the honesty and the sincerity of such or such an individual, I have no absolute faith in any person. Such a faith would be fatal to my reason, to my liberty, and even to the success of my undertakings; it would immediately transform me into a stupid slave, an instrument of the will and interests of others.”
If bucketloads of so-called anarchists call DGR “authoritarian”, it is they who don’t know their own fucking history, not I. And it is they who have oversimplified their own fucking belief system. In that case, I’m probably more of an anarchist than they are, I just choose not to identify myself as one because nearly every circle I have joined in conversation with has been full of horrible behavior.
If you have a problem with oversimplification of authority and anarchism, wrestle with Zerzan’s “anarchist” BFF Kevin Tucker, or any number of “anarchists” who can’t tell apples from oranges, not me.
Also know that when anarchist theory branches off into nearly every other belief system (anarcho-everythingism, lol), critiquing capital A Anarchism is not an easy task. This is why I updated my essay opening with “Any ideology is only as righteous as it’s subscribers actions in accordance to that ideology. That is, any ideology with such prevalent, widespread refusal of effective action is not a good ideology, regardless of how it looks on paper” and from there it went onto another rant.
“They then refuse to work with any person or group which doesn’t agree 100% with those principles” Well, ya know what? With the WORLD at stake, that’s really fucking selfish. There is really no other way to put that. In my essay I wrote:
“Nothing, absolutely nothing, –not anarchism, not me, not you– is more important than the source of everything, the planet.” If you missed that part of my essay, there ya go. If you don’t understand that, take your time. If you read that and understand it but still hold your ideology above all else, then you’re completely insensate.
“Get used to playing in this ball game and try to be one of the few groups that actually doesn’t take criticism like a shovel to the face.” Funny, I don’t consider many things anarchists have said about DGR or done to those who are associate with themselves with it to be legitimate criticism. Publicly calling Derrick Jensen a fed, a fascist, and telling him to “eat shit” is not criticism. Lierre being physically attacked may have come from vegans who may or may not have identified themselves as an anarchist, but it still doesn’t discount the fact that anarchists (*gasp* homogenization!) gave and still give her shit for calling the cops afterwards. Yeah, it’s not hard to see which side the anarchist community is on. I think you and I are on vastly different terms about what “criticism” is and what “a shovel to the face” is.
“Try actually working with people, rather than telling them that their ideology is inherently flawed, immature, and useless in today’s society”
Once again, once a-fucking-gain, I’m not the one who you should be telling this statement to. My god, if anarchists can’t take one critique after they who have attacked, yes attacked in very literal terms, anyone associated with DGR, then I really don’t have much more to say but this one last thing: Yes, in terms of their actions in accordance to this ideology, it is all those things plus more. If you can’t see that, you’re probably a very privilaged person. I don’t think the polar bears give a shit about anarchism. I know that many indigenous people will seperate themselves from anarchists because they all-too-often essentialize them. I don’t think the forests give a shit, or the rivers, or the oceans. And hear this, I know those in power don’t give a shit, either. The world, the real physical world and all those who exists outside of belief systems, only cares if they see actions materially manifest into change.
@fightciv Most anarchists I know agree with terms of conduct, provided that those terms of conduct within organisation have nothing to do with unrelated topics (ie, one’s clothing or sexual preference isn’t regulated)… but not all forms of military action require hierarchy. But this doesn’t mean that the two movements are ENTIRELY inconsistent and cannot learn from one another. What you’ve experiencing is Anarchist sectarianism, which is largest in English speaking nations. Every version of Anarchism has its principles, but treats them ALL as core principles. They then refuse to work with any person or group which doesn’t agree 100% with those principles. If you’re trying to get Anarchists to join you… you won’t be able to do it in English-speaking groups. Europe has their shit together (with the exception of the UK), in that they are willing to work with anybody trying to achieve the same short-term goal, no matter their ideology. Thus, you have democratic-socialists working with leninists, you have labor-based anarchists working with Trotskyists… they all function together whenever something harms the workers… even if they disagree on their ideal society, or the ideal path there. As you said, DGR is in its infancy. Get used to playing in this ball game and try to be one of the few groups that actually doesn’t take criticism like a shovel to the face. Try actually working with people, rather than telling them that their ideology is inherently flawed, immature, and useless in today’s society. You can’t honestly expect that people are going to read it and all of a sudden change their minds in regards to their ideology… especially not from such a standard critique of Anarchism. This is the sort of elementary critique of Anarchism we’ve all heard since high school, but with a green lens, rather than a neo-liberal lens.
Your distinguishing between liberal and radical (which is taken from Lierre Keith) is totally flawed. Most liberals (I’ve had the misfortune of spending some time around them) DO identify groups of people who are oppressed by various institutions. Have you never met liberal feminists? Liberal native-solidarity folks, liberal black-solidarity folks, or liberal LBGT folks? They obviously don’t see the individual as the essential unit in society. They understand that they are oppressed or someone else is oppressed, based upon their real or percieved inclusion into some marginalized, abused or oppressed social group.
The difference between radicals and liberals, as I have experienced in real life, is their means of affecting change. Liberals typically look towards making the system change so as to accomadate these groups better (ie gay marriage, equal pay for women), and combine that with striving for personal integrity (anti-oppression workshops and the like) and politcal correctness (it’s funny to hear liberals refer to native folks as “first nations” and they refer to themselves as Indians…why refer to these people in a way which only the government and capitalist press refers to them, rather than the way they refer to themselves? shows where your loyalties reside).
“Radicals” on the other hand also recognize the group oppression thing. Their means of affecting change are to work against the system and solve the problems themselves. That’s why anarchists don’t care if they are viewed as too radical or too violent or whatever. We want the cops, the state, and the capitalist system out of our lives altogether.
Calling anarchists liberal, upon the assumption that they view the individual as the basic social unit is just false and completely unresearched (in real life, not in lame old books). Some anarchists do view the individual as the main social unit. Thay are known as “Individualists” inspired by Max Stirner, but they are a minority and don’t represent anarchists as a whole.
Anarchists are a very diverse group. You couldn’t possibly lump all anarchsts together because there are so many different and totally contradictory strains that it is impossible.
And by the way, the pie-ers at the SFAB probably weren’t even anarchists. The vegan starightedge scene is very uniqure and seperate from the anarchist scene (there is some crossover but not a lot). Just cause they were at an anarchist bookfair doesn’t mean they were anarchists. You should probably inform the DGR movement about this, since they seem to have misindentified the enemy.
Anyway, this liberal/radical dichotomy is just one example of the flawed logic and total lack of understanding of Lierre Keith and the DGR movement.
nicholas –
First things first, if you believe that distinction is flawed, please direct me to analyses beyond that of your own personal, completely subjective experiences.
Secondly, I didn’t “take” it from Lierre Keith. The use of such a negatively connotated term in the beginning of your response is the typical tone I’ve come to expect from dogmatic anarchists during disagreements.
Thirdly, to say you’ve had the misfortune of being around liberals who work for great causes is just tragic.
Fourthly, I never said that to be a liberal is a bad thing in my essay, or that they act in ways to only help themselves. I did point out it’s ineffectiveness for this particular endeavour of dismantling industrial civilization. Liberals have won many just battles in the past, but as a _direct_ strategy for this movement it’s unfortunately futile. Civilization cannot be reformed, nor will those in power perpetuating it stop because we ask nicely (or even demand) for better laws.
Fithly, in response to you 5th paragraph, I suggest you reread my essay, especially the updated section where I pretty clearly responded to such a claim, and I suggest you also read my responses to others in the comment section. I’m not going to take the time to repeat myself.
Sixthly, in response to your 6th paragraph, I suggest you read my reply to marcownz747.
Lastly, you have provided no solidly-backed reason (“in real life” doesn’t cut it for critical analysis, sorry) for me to reconsider my stance, or even consider yours.
If you provide me with solidly-backed evidence or at the very least a persuasive article that anarchism can be used as a strategy to bring down civilization I’ll listen, and take time to reconsider my relationship to anarchist circles. Until then, I don’t want to hear any self-proclaimed anarchist complain over DGR. If you or any other anarchist takes the time to write a 500+ page book densely filled with well researched information about why anarchist ideology is our only real chance at saving the planet and HOW to implement it, I’ll have reason to listen. Until then stop with the denouncements, look at the current state of the world, and ask yourself some serious, identity-challenging questions.
You think the DGR strategy is any better? Better than what anarchists have been doing in Greece for the last 15 years (building a real movement not just a theoretical strategy) or in Italy in the 70′s, or the war that Mexican and Chilean anarchists have been waging against the state and earth-destroyers?
Lierre, Derrick, and Aric have created this book, Permadasi or whoever created a website along with a very detailed series of “phases” of the DGR movement, but who are you expecting to take these things to heart and go out and implement the serious actions?
Even vanguardist or semi-aurthoritarian revolutionarie organizations had leaders who were dedicated to STRUGGLE and risking their lives, not just “aboveground” work. The Red Brigades, Red Army Faction, IRA, MEND, FARC, Front de Liberation du Quebec, Black Panther Party, BLA, American Indian Movement, and many anarchist groups as well (Agnry Brigade, GJB, ELF, Conspiracy Cells of Fire), all have/had members, theoreticians and sometimes even leaders, who imbed themselves in the struggle. They are not seperate from it and safe. Who would trust a leader who’s own safety is never in jeopardy when yours is?
To answer your question I don’t have “evidence” that liberals think one way and anarchists another, except my own involvement in those circles. I’m sorry that lived experience and personal relationships doesn’t qualify for you.
I’ll try my best to answer your questions one by one.
“You think the DGR strategy is any better? Better than what anarchists have been doing in Greece for the last 15 years (building a real movement not just a theoretical strategy) or in Italy in the 70′s, or the war that Mexican and Chilean anarchists have been waging against the state and earth-destroyers?”
Yes.
By saying this, I’m not belittling those brave people who have participated in those past struggles. But DGR is a heavy, heavy analysis and strategy that Aric McBay has been working on for years, and it really shouldn’t be seen as a end-all-other-struggles-in-favor-of-this-one kind of thing. If it’s a struggle that is fighting back against the financially rich to destroy the lives of the financially poor, I can’t see how any member of DGR would object. Just because someone doesn’t belong to DGR doesn’t mean we couldn’t support their work. DGR recognizes and places heavy attention on the importance of a culture of resistance. In other words, millions of different people doing millions of different things. How anarchists could so quickly shun this blossoming movement and embrace others with similar social structures (or in your own words, “all have/had members, theoreticians and sometimes even leaders, who imbed themselves in the struggle.”) is what I cannot understand.
My only suggestion to you at this point is read the book. The website, though I think it’s great, does not reflect the book’s vast majority of content. It covers the basics. I can’t recite a 550 page book.
“Lierre, Derrick, and Aric have created this book, Permadasi or whoever created a website along with a very detailed series of “phases” of the DGR movement, but who are you expecting to take these things to heart and go out and implement the serious actions?”
This is what any movement just starting out is trying to figure out — Recruits. In my own personal opinion, It’s becoming clear that the vast majority of self-proclaimed anarchists are not fit. I didn’t make this decision, nor am I speaking on behalf of the entire movement. The vast majority of self-proclaimed anarchists made this decision when they gawk at the book before even reading it. Again, in my own personal opinion, I think anyone who cares about life on the planet, really cares, and anyone who recognizes that this planet is primary, and whose luxuries are no longer suppressing the sorrow and grief of the murder of the planet, those without those luxuries — these people are fit. And yes, it will require a level of bravery we in the first world aren’t used to. It will require those participants to be smart, really smart. And it will require a lot of support work as well…(dot dot dot)
“Who would trust a leader who’s own safety is never in jeopardy when yours is?”
I don’t see why you think the founders of this movement are in any means safe. Hell, they’ve recieved far more verbal attacks, even threats, (more than anywhere else from anarchist circles) than I have. History has written many times that when movements are picking up momentum that directly challanges power, those in power will often target the most public figures, because doing so shatters the morale of the movement. Infact, being an aboveground militant is riskier than to be an underground militant, because they know who to put between the crosshairs. This isn’t to sound like a romantic statement to make Derrick, Lierre, or Aric seem like courageous nobles ready for anything. But it has been used in the past, which is why many movement, including the WSPU, literally had leaders or public figures LINED up in case something happened to the current standing one.
As for your last paragraph, I provided my own subjective experiences with evidence to back it. Links, book references, etc. And I can’t wait to say this, because I hear this all the time from anarchists…That’s a strawman!
I’ll say it one more time, it’s senseless for someone to debate with another about a book when only person has read it. Consider that a hint.
“This is what any movement just starting out is trying to figure out — Recruits.”
Armies look for recruits. Movements look for comrades and accomplices.
I’ve read enough on the DJ messageboard to know what the jist of the DGR movement is about. I was pretty into it for a while until you posted a thread about this blog post. Seeing C. get banned from the forum for legitimate criticism, without being offensive, blew my mind. Criticizing a movement strategy which was (a) not written by consensus and (b) requires you, despite having no say, to abide by it and not critique it, is bullshit!! Just further proof that DGR is an authoritarian movement.
And now I see the truth: stopping horitzontal hostility is really just a code word for silencing dissent.
Hope you see the light pal.
-N
This discussion is over.
My public blog is not the place to talk about the decisions made by the moderators of a private forum.
Unless anyone reading this is a member of that particular forum, it’s extremely bias to bring that up without those nonmembers able to read the comments made by the now-banned member.
And the “hope you see the light” statement is frightening.
hey the point is to fuck this shit up, now is the greatest opportunity ever, we should have fun doing it instead of arguing over some stupid shit…
Haha! I loved your comment. Thank you. I mean this literally, your wisdom is for all to attempt to obtain.
Thanks again!
Fight Civ
I’ll preface this comment by saying I’m completely anti-civ but haven’t yet read the book (I’ve been looking over the website in the past few days and have made an order).
My initial impressions are that DGR might be the best chance we currently have of resisting. Maybe my impressions will change. We’ll see.
I’ve read a few critiques of DGR now, one of which by a guy who was “excommunicated” (his words) from the movement. The reason for why seems glaringly obvious to me, but he didn’t seem to get it. It says somewhere quite clearly on the DGR website that infighting, or what I think it calls lateral aggression or something fancier sounding like that, will not be tolerated because it detracts from the aims of any resistance network. To me it’s a big “Duh!”
The anarchist community shouldn’t, in my opinion, necessarily be considered a solid a representation of the anarchist philosophy they are supposed to stand for—but more importantly, it doesn’t matter. I once read a (respected) pamphlet (in PDF form—if I could find it I’d link it but I have no idea how I’d even begin to look) which tried to put anarchism in more concrete terms. It had a handful of traits which one, meeting or possessing or agreeing with, one could identify as an anarchist. The most important was simply rejecting the legitimacy of the state. In the most broadest sense anyone who rejects the state can be called an anarchist, and it is in this sense that myself and indeed many/most of the people who find themsevles “agreeing with (some) of the things anarchists say/do” (not a direct quote from anywhere, but just trying to represent a common saying) can be said to be anarchists. Even if we don’t want to identify as anarchists, even if we find the things many anarchists do/argue over to be silly.
I’m jumbling ideas now but whatever.
In my opinion the current anarchist movement is a fertile battlefield for infighting which limits their effectiveness almost entirely. Many anarchists won’t even allow anarcho-primitivists the title of Anarchist because they believe “primitivists” “advocate genocide” (because we acknowledge that humans have overshot carrying capacity).
Why does it matter if they are Anarchists™ when we all need to fight and stop the state and civilzation? I’ve yet to figure that out.
ayenteeaychohenwhy –
Thank you so much for your comments and feedback. I really agree with a lot of what you said, particularly the part of infighting. (aka horizontal hostility. When I mentioned that term to an anarchist, they said it’s not horizontal hostility because we weren’t allies to begin with. Obviously that person didn’t know what it meant…It’s more about fighting horizontally [duh] rather than vertically, something they claim they do.)
I guess that’s my beef with most anarchist circles. Just seems like no one is ever “anarchist enough” for them. It’s fundamentalist bullshit, and makes me what to pull my hair out.
Anyway, I got to go. Time for
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